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Post by xscape on Mar 1, 2010 14:53:03 GMT -5
Wolfie and I are gonna walk you through what I believe. This is simply my little opinion of things. I don't know if it's the truth. I believe Michael Jackson was controlled by the people surrounding him. I believe he was drugged and I believe he was a victim of conspiracy, just like he said he was. I believe that they tried to get him to bend to their way ,and when he wouldn't do that, They used people to try and destroy him. I believe Sony was a part of this conspiracy. I believe because he had become more of a liabilty to them because of the allegations made against him, It left sony with a huge problem. They couldn't simply drop him from the label. Not unless they wished to be completely sued and exposed for the complete jerks they really are. Also,Their mouths watered for that cataloge. If they could bury Michael's career and force him into poverty ,He'd be forced to sell them his shares and They would get everything.. while hopefully he crawled under a rock and disappeared. What they didn't count on was the fact that Michael was a fighter. lol He wasn't gonna sit back and allow them to take what they wanted without a fight. All one has to do is look at what happened every single time Michael tried to release a new project. The first allegations hit..then after that..Something damaging always came up. It never failed. Why? Because Michael Jackson got too powerful for his own good. It's one thing to be the world's biggest artist and have the whole world know who you are ,but Let's just say not everybody appreciates having Michael Jackson give a voice to the world's problems and move people to care in order to change these problems. Michael became more than just a entertainer. He made friends like Nelson Mandela, political figures who could be influenced by his music and his philosophies. Then, He went to try and break Thriller's record again. They could not allow that to happen. Why? Think about the power Michael would of had if he did it again. He would be the king of entertainment and definately..of the world. So,They came up with these allegations. The first time was unsuccessful. Michael was able to shut it down. The second time, He faced a trial and still shut them down. They figured he'd go away and crawl under a rock some place. He didn't. Instead, He chose to take the stage once more and his popularity was returning as people were rooting for him to make a huge comeback. His tickets outsold their expectations,even though the media tried to diss the whole thing by giving so called quotes that nobody would want to see him in concert unless it was to witness a trainwreck in motion. Michael suprised the powers that be by selling much more than they thought he would and by being more popular than they thought he was. He was on the verge of commanding things once again. They couldn't allow that to happen.. to allow people to respect and listen to him again. June 25th happened. If Michael is dead..The above things I said are the reasons why. He got too powerful and They were unable to control him completely. It's a sad world we live in.
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Post by Jane on Mar 1, 2010 15:18:20 GMT -5
Michael for President!! *cheers "F the press, Michael's the best!"* sorry, fangirl moment
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Post by xscape on Mar 1, 2010 17:39:47 GMT -5
Party on Jane We all get those fangirl moments It's crazy though. lol We live in a world where there are people who actually WANT the rainforest to be destroyed and who want people to be oppressed. There are people willing to start wars and spread diseases cause they think they got a right to dictate the world's population and think it's okay to rid the world of a few billion people. Hey, It means more money for them. Geesh.. Then, Michael Jackson just had to throw a kink in it. Writing songs like We are the World and Heal The World..going around and using his fame and fortune to bring attention to certain problems and demanding the world be involved in changing them. How DARE he? Oh,What a terrible man here.. *Rolleyes Good for Michael. I'm glad he never backed down or settled for the nonsense they tried to do to him.
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Post by Jane on Mar 1, 2010 19:17:25 GMT -5
Party on Jane We all get those fangirl moments It's crazy though. lol We live in a world where there are people who actually WANT the rainforest to be destroyed and who want people to be oppressed. There are people willing to start wars and spread diseases cause they think they got a right to dictate the world's population and think it's okay to rid the world of a few billion people. Hey, It means more money for them. Geesh.. Then, Michael Jackson just had to throw a kink in it. Writing songs like We are the World and Heal The World..going around and using his fame and fortune to bring attention to certain problems and demanding the world be involved in changing them. How DARE he? Oh,What a terrible man here.. *Rolleyes Good for Michael. I'm glad he never backed down or settled for the nonsense they tried to do to him. Yeah, you are right. And sadly people don't care, about as much as they don't care about his message and him altogether. I don't love Michael for his booty or gold pants (though it helps,) but the first thing I fell in love with was the way he took action in the world. I've always admired that in him first and foremost. There have been people before Michael that have also tried to push through, but have been taken down. In my heart there is NO doubt whatsoever that he is alive. But we must learn not only to stand up for Michael but for each other. This mission goes beyond him.. it's US.
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Post by xscape on Mar 1, 2010 20:46:33 GMT -5
I agree with you wholeheartedly on this Jane. Michael said it many times.. We can't wait around for somebody else to come along and try to fix things.. It IS up to us.
We're moving further away from one another. There used to be a time when you could actually leave your door unlocked, even knowing somebody may walk inside your home while you are away.. and Not have to worry because you knew nobody had it in their heart or mind to steal anything.
So many broken people walking this earth hurting and empty. So many angry people because they've been hurting for so long and It seems nobody really cares.
Greedy people only caring about their bottom line. People taking drugs to numb out because this life is so terrible and all they see are bad things. They never saw anything good this life had to offer. Parents neglecting their children. Children growing up cold and lonely.
We see cruelty and wonder why? Well, If we don't bother to love one another and treat one another with compassion and respect, How can we expect a different result than what we have?
Michael spoke out from where he was and reminded us.. Hey..Let's give children the chance to be children again. Let's show people they are special and valuable again. Let's take the time to care about this earth and enjoy the beauty it has within it. Even as a little boy, Michael wanted to be rich and famous. Not for himself. He saw people starving on the news and wanted to have lots and lots of money so he could feed starving people.
He cared about how people were treated. Reached out to those in need and loved those who the world deemed unlovable and undeserving of love.
Michael was beautiful and wise on so many levels it's amazing.
and Yeah... He wasn't bad to look at either.. lol
God Bless him *Smile
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Post by Nicole on Mar 1, 2010 21:39:59 GMT -5
I agree with you wholeheartedly on this Jane. Michael said it many times.. We can't wait around for somebody else to come along and try to fix things.. It IS up to us. We're moving further away from one another. There used to be a time when you could actually leave your door unlocked, even knowing somebody may walk inside your home while you are away.. and Not have to worry because you knew nobody had it in their heart or mind to steal anything. So many broken people walking this earth hurting and empty. So many angry people because they've been hurting for so long and It seems nobody really cares. Greedy people only caring about their bottom line. People taking drugs to numb out because this life is so terrible and all they see are bad things. They never saw anything good this life had to offer. Parents neglecting their children. Children growing up cold and lonely. We see cruelty and wonder why? Well, If we don't bother to love one another and treat one another with compassion and respect, How can we expect a different result than what we have? Michael spoke out from where he was and reminded us.. Hey..Let's give children the chance to be children again. Let's show people they are special and valuable again. Let's take the time to care about this earth and enjoy the beauty it has within it. Even as a little boy, Michael wanted to be rich and famous. Not for himself. He saw people starving on the news and wanted to have lots and lots of money so he could feed starving people. He cared about how people were treated. Reached out to those in need and loved those who the world deemed unlovable and undeserving of love. Michael was beautiful and wise on so many levels it's amazing. I think most, maybe all, of us here think the same. So true.
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Post by Nicole on Mar 1, 2010 22:03:41 GMT -5
Party on Jane We all get those fangirl moments It's crazy though. lol We live in a world where there are people who actually WANT the rainforest to be destroyed and who want people to be oppressed. There are people willing to start wars and spread diseases cause they think they got a right to dictate the world's population and think it's okay to rid the world of a few billion people. Hey, It means more money for them. Geesh.. Then, Michael Jackson just had to throw a kink in it. Writing songs like We are the World and Heal The World..going around and using his fame and fortune to bring attention to certain problems and demanding the world be involved in changing them. How DARE he? Oh,What a terrible man here.. *Rolleyes Good for Michael. I'm glad he never backed down or settled for the nonsense they tried to do to him. Yeah, you are right. And sadly people don't care, about as much as they don't care about his message and him altogether. I don't love Michael for his booty or gold pants (though it helps,) but the first thing I fell in love with was the way he took action in the world. I've always admired that in him first and foremost. There have been people before Michael that have also tried to push through, but have been taken down. In my heart there is NO doubt whatsoever that he is alive. But we must learn not only to stand up for Michael but for each other. This mission goes beyond him.. it's US. So true. He was clearly very passionate about 2012 in TII, and making the world a better place throughout his career. You know, it's fairly safe to assume he's been building up for this since the 80's - the 2012 theory isn't some new thing.. It's better to take prophecies seriously than to carelessly disregard them, especially when so much is pointing to them coming true in some way. Even if 2012 comes and goes without major destruction, we still - at the rate we're going - are on a path to it. I hope that made sense *needs more coffee* And, sometimes my eyes deceive me, but in my heart I know he is alive too.
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Post by xscape on Mar 1, 2010 23:11:44 GMT -5
Miss Nicole.. I wear bifocals so I know my eyes often decieve me LOL!
I don't know if Michael is alive or isn't. I just wish him the best and love him regardless of where he may be. Michael may not be in the public ,but He's as close as my next heartbeat. I carry him with me wherever I go ,and I am grateful for all the wonderful things he taught me and the things I was able to experience that I wouldn't have otherwise.
Michael taught me so much about life and love.. wisdom and kindness towards others. He helped me to become a better person because I took his words and his experience to my heart.
For me, I am often at odds with people because it's Michael the person who matters most to me. If he had ever had a press conference and said.. "I'm retiring. I'm done. My life will be devoted to raising my children and moving on." As long as Michael spent his life happy, I wouldn't care. It wouldn't matter to me if I never heard from him publicly again..as long as he's joyful and living his life to the fullest.
For me, It's just my opinion that seeking Michael now and trying to hunt him down or whatever.. it's disrespectful.
I don't mean to offend anybody by saying this ,but say Michael did indeed fake his death. People usually go to that extreme when they don't like the life they are living anymore ,and They are looking for peace and freedom from it.
Michael has spent his entire life in public. Doesn't he deserve a part of life to himself? And If he did plan all this ,and People go looking for him, turning over everything.. Guess what happens if they find him? Michael gets dragged right back into the world he worked so hard to escape from and have peace.
He should not be forced to be Michael Jackson the superstar just because of people's selfishness and inability to show him enough respect and love to let him go.
If Michael is out there and wants to return back to his former life, He always has that option and ability to. Forcing him back into it is cruel to me. It's like saying "Hey Michael.. We don't care how you feel.. You're gonna keep doing what we want you to do and fulfilling our need and fantasies whether you like to or not."
That just isn't loving to me or respectful.
Because sometimes.. The best way to show that you love somebody or something is to let go and allow that person the chance to be free.
I'm not saying it's easy by any means. I'm not saying it's easy that Michael isn't around. God knows it's hard. The world seems a little colder, like a beautiful light went out and left the day Michael left.
Maybe though, Michael had to take a step back not only for himself but For the world to take pause and realize just how we treat celebrites and one another. That entertainers are people too and deserve love and to be listened to and respected just as much as we all do.
Maybe Michael took a step back so that people could examine their hearts and learn.. to be able to say.. You know.. My attitudes concerning Michael is and was wrong. He's a human being. He deserved privacy when he asked for it. He deserved to be listened to instead of judged for being rich and famous, like facing those circumstances don't have their own set of challenges. He didn't deserve to have people stalking him all the time or trying to track him down. He didn't deserve people trying to force themselves and their fantasies down his throat.
He deserved love, respect, and to be accepted as his own person. Not placed in a box. Ask anybody.. If you put a living thing in a box ,but You don't give them room to breathe or cut out airholes.. They die. Every living soul needs some freedom to be themselves.
So, I do hope people will stop all this madness of trying to seek Michael here or look for him there. Let Michael come to the world if he's wanting and willing to do so. Otherwise, Give him the respect and love enough to rest in peace..living or dead.
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Post by Nicole on Mar 2, 2010 0:06:42 GMT -5
The old hoax vs death argument comes to mind.. (not that I'm arguing your opinion, I'm just pointing out the commonly used reasoning) If he wanted to go live peacefully and not be bothered then why didn't he just move to Ireland with the kids and be done with it. Instead he moves back to LA: "paparazzi central", drops hints about wanting to do film in the future rather than touring, but goes and does a backflip and organises some concerts in London instead, gets everyone revved up, raises his eyebrows at an opportune moment during a press conference, calling it a "final curtain call", sets up Staples centre as if it is London, rehearses and films all the songs the "fans wanna hear", then "dies"under the most bizarre set of circumstances seen in a long time. After the "death" continuous "clues"/"hints" are placed in more opportune moments.. rahrahrah.. We all know these things now. My own beliefs on this are that he wanted to redeem the history of his public persona, for his childrens sake. And, it's so complex that it requires more than just one chess move. I would not blame him for never returning. I don't cling to that at all now. I just want him to be happy. But, I can understand how people believe he will. And hope he will. There's a lot of things out there suggesting he would or could comeback if he wanted. Likewise, things suggesting he wouldn't or couldn't.. The idea is you believe whichever one you want to believe. It's always been Michaels style to make us question things. There's a lot of evidence suggesting numerous reasons for all this. Again: Believe what you want to believe. The beauty of this is that there are two sides to every coin. What keeps me interested is HOW easily or difficult we will believe things, and what we will believe in and what we will not. And how differently everything in life can be perceived from one individual to the next, and how we apply our own personal perception on to things which will alter the facts, quite often only to suit ourselves. *gets more coffee *
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Post by looking4truth on Mar 2, 2010 9:26:22 GMT -5
Your theory was my original murder theory before all this weird stuff started to happen. lol Then I thought hmmm...well maybe he faked his death because of these folks. I do believe he was threatened. I also believe he did this for the safety of himself, his family, his children and possibly, his fans. I don't think he just wanted his privacy because he pretty much had that earlier in Ireland. I think his reasons are complicated and vast and his planning began a long time ago so all of us, believers, may have hints to what is going on but I really don't think any of us have the full story. And we may never get that if he doesn't come back for whatever reason.
In the meantime, however, I do think that we should begin to love one another and begin loving the planet because it's a nice thing to do and a great way to heal the world in our own way that doesn't require a big to-do. Massive demonstrations are nice at times but sometimes, the best way to make change is to start by checking ourselves out and being the best person we know we can be. That seemed to be Michael's message in TII and that seems to what most people would want for this world is for people to treat each other better, treat ourselves better, appreciate what we have, smile more, etc.
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Post by xscape on Mar 2, 2010 20:11:16 GMT -5
looking4truth.. I agree with you. I am sad because he was so often heard but not listened to. I keep saying that because Michael suffered so much abuse in silence. I understand that very well because My family often ignores my feelings and even justifies abuse that happens to me. Being abused or having tramatic things happen to you is bad enough ,but When people downplay what happens to you, It hurts worse because you're all by yourself to try and pick up the shattered pieces of yourself. It gets worse when the abuse continues and there's nobody that you can turn to.
Michael went through so much and Nobody knows the true extent of it. His tapes with Shumley.. I don't know about anybody here ,but I was appalled. To strip your child down and beat them with a cord? To scare them while they are sleeping at night? To take them to strip joints in order to perform?
To have to sit there and know your father is cheating on your mother and You can't say a word. To keep working just so you are sure there's food on the table and clothes for your family.. and You have to worry about that at 9 years old.
People say.. Yeah..But Look at what Michael did.. No. Sorry. There are other ways to keep a child off the streets and to cultivate their talents. You don't have to go beating them ,scaring them ,and abusing them in order to do it.
Michael wanted his father's love and approval. To be proud of him. I remember that one scene in Jacksons The American Dream after Michael got burned and Joe was in the room with him.. I wanted to scream at the T.V. "Tell him you love him! It's what he needs to hear from you!" But No. Didn't happen. Even today..Michael's worth dead more than alive..? Ah hell no.. Sorry Joseph, Michael is priceless. He's worth more than all the riches in the world. It's too bad your greed won't allow you to see that.
Michael wanted the best selling album in the world for several reasons. 1. Because of people's prejudices and oppression.. Even MTV wouldn't play his music films in the beginning and had to be threatened by Sony to do it. Michael made that channel ,and how did they thank him for that? Ugh..
People tried to limit him as a black artist. There was only so far he supposedly could go. He was out to prove them wrong.. and God bless him.. he did exactly that.
But the second reason is much more sadder. When you are being abused, You do anything to get away from that. His brothers married early and left. Michael wanted to wait for that special time and that special girl. He did have deep religious beliefs. People didn't know that. Michael knew the bible very well.
The bigger he got careerwise, The more Joseph could not control him. The more Joseph couldn't control him..He could get rid of him and make his own decisions. Yeah, He could of always moved out on his own ,but I don't think he believed in himself enough inside to think he could make it. There's a type of learned helplessness in being abused. You hear a lie often enough and start to believe it. You believe you're worthless and can't do anything on your own. You think there's no escape. For Michael, Honing his talent and becoming the best was his ticket of freedom. He took things in steps.. and Finally got the courage to find his own place and get out on his own.
The only thing is.. Being a celebrity is one thing. Being considered a legend is quite another. He is the most recognizable person in the world. The president of the US is second. Where do you go? What can you do? You can't hide very easily.
And People act weird. Love and support isn't all you get. People can be rude and cruel towards you. I mean..Imagine going to another country to recieve an award and having some member of their congress stand up to tell the whole world in front of you that your only contribution to the world is to molest little boys.
What do you do? You can't lash out. People calling you rude names. People stalking you.
No peace to even eat a meal. Paparazzi yelling rude things at you just to get you to react so they can have a newsstory the next day. All the people can see is the headlines of how Michael Jackson went crazy. They don't know why he's so angry.
And You have to sit there and act like people didn't just take a knife to your heart and stab you with it.
You have to act grateful and nice. You can't tell people to leave you alone. If they go back and tell everybody how rude you are or how mean you are ,and People believe that.. Well, It means you could lose album sales and support. You lose that and You lose your income.
Forget having an off day like everybody else does. Everything must always be perfect. There are no perfect human beings.
Yet,Somehow.. You're expected to be one. All this you have to suffer in silence. Try and speak of your experience ,and People accuse you of whining and not being grateful for what you have. "He asked for this life.." Oh yeah.. 5 years old he knew exactly what his life was gonna be.
How many five year olds do you know has their entire life mapped out? I don't know of any.
Michael went through alot of things. Still, He chose love over hate. It's amazing to me he did and speaks to the courage of the human spirit to overcome.
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Post by ragdoll on Mar 3, 2010 5:30:10 GMT -5
Nicole: I agree with you. I observed the same - introspective and on others. If we cannot classify something, we tend to create our own category for it. Preferably one that suits us. Maybe just a normal human reflex?... The hoax gave me some interesting insights from a sociological point of view. How people interact and how they behave in an unfamilar situation. Sometimes it´s very funny – and sometimes it´s a glimpse into spiritual abyss.
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Post by merkaba on Mar 3, 2010 6:23:47 GMT -5
Xscape....You brought tears in my eyes, somehow he must have felt so powerless sometimes.
But what don´t kills You, makes You stronger, that´s what he is..
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Post by merkaba on Mar 3, 2010 6:48:57 GMT -5
SNUGGLEPLUMB.. You make me a little paranoid! The beauty of this is that there are two sides to every coin. What keeps me interested is HOW easily or difficult we will believe things, and what we will believe in and what we will not. And how differently everything in life can be perceived from one individual to the next, and how we apply our own personal perception on to things which will alter the facts, quite often only to suit ourselves. *gets more coffee * The how to know the difference between intuition, and what You believe just because it fits what You wanna believe?
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Post by Nicole on Mar 3, 2010 12:10:44 GMT -5
Nicole: I agree with you. I observed the same - introspective and on others. If we cannot classify something, we tend to create our own category for it. Preferably one that suits us. Maybe just a normal human reflex?... The hoax gave me some interesting insights from a sociological point of view. How people interact and how they behave in an unfamilar situation. Sometimes it´s very funny – and sometimes it´s a glimpse into spiritual abyss. Yeah, just like if we can't face the truth then it must be a lie. It's very interesting how much some like comfort and others like misery.
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