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Post by Nicole on Mar 3, 2010 12:38:57 GMT -5
SNUGGLEPLUMB.. You make me a little paranoid! The beauty of this is that there are two sides to every coin. What keeps me interested is HOW easily or difficult we will believe things, and what we will believe in and what we will not. And how differently everything in life can be perceived from one individual to the next, and how we apply our own personal perception on to things which will alter the facts, quite often only to suit ourselves. *gets more coffee * The how to know the difference between intuition, and what You believe just because it fits what You wanna believe? Snuggleplumb Ok wookiebumble !! It's late for me, I may be wrong.. Perhaps, because, intuition and logic work together. And, belief can be illogical? Correct me if I'm wrong please.
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Post by shanti on Mar 3, 2010 13:13:36 GMT -5
I do not even know what to think or say... The only thing I know is that the truth always appears and it will not last forever.
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Post by Nicole on Mar 3, 2010 13:34:07 GMT -5
I do not even know what to think or say... The only thing I know is that the truth always appears and it will not last forever. Always think twice... Don't believe other peoples beliefs without remembering your own first. If you didn't think Michael was ok more often than not for the last 8 months then would you still be here?? Sure, there's a good chance things weren't pleasurable for him. But, that doesn't make it fact.
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Post by xscape on Mar 3, 2010 18:05:34 GMT -5
I am 35 years old. I have been a Michael Jackson fan since I was a girl of seven years old. Doesn't make me an expert or anything. Most times in your life you will find that nobody is really an expert on much in this world. You have your truths ,and That is how you experience life and the world around you. When you have listened to somebody pretty much your entire life,You tend to get a understanding of them. Now,It doesn't make you an expert on them. It doesn't mean you know everything about them. But, It doesn't take some otherworldly presence to understand somebody when they keep saying "I'm lonely. Alot of people misunderstand me. There's a conspiracy..I don't wanna say too much. I hurt. I'm done. My father did this to me. My father did that to me. People think you have it all. That's not the point..One hungers for the basic stuff. You can't go anywhere. You can't do anything. People are rude. They ask embaressing questions because they think you're not real. God, I wouldn't be able to go on stage if I thought about how the women think of me..thinking of how they picture me naked and want to have sex with me. I'd be too embaressed if I thought about that Being mobbed hurts..You feel like you're being pulled in every direction by people until you just want to break. My mom is an angel. He'd lay down beside her after sneaking around with other women.." Direct quotes from Michael Jackson himself all put into one. Now, I don't know about any of you, but When a person hears somebody saying that.. not once but over and over.. It suggests that these things are reoccuring in a person's life. People don't tend to keep going over the same issues unless these things are in a person's mind. I am not a psychologist or anything like that ,but If I take a moment and place myself in a person's moccasin's like Michael Jackson asked of people, I would call that a pretty unhappy experience. No freedom. Being abused. Being lonely. Being isolated.. and on top of that, unable to really turn to anybody because nobody gives a damn enough to really listen and try to help. Now..There's nobody in this world who has only sad and gloomy moments in their lives. People have a mixture of both sad and joyful moments. Good and bad. However, I wouldn't exactly call it projecting oneself onto somebody else when that person ,in interviews and almost every time they speak talk about the abuse they suffered, their lost childhood, the pain they went through. I wouldn't call it forcing somebody's beliefs on somebody else when they stand up to tell the whole world about a conspiracy against them.. something that I doubt would make anybody happy to have to go through and experience. I also wouldn't assume somebody is rich simply because of estimated earnings off a song catalouge..especially when they wanted to buy a house in Las Vegas ,but couldn't. Tried to apply for loans but kept getting denied and may of had property investments and things but had little liquid assets,forcing them to ..I don't know.. say leave a place that was private for them for the most part and go back to where the entertainment industry was and I don't know..Go back to doing what rakes in most money.. which is touring and having shows. I mean..Any body who thinks hard about this would realize that if a person runs low on funds..They must go back to work somehow. Especially if they have three kids to raise and debt that would boggle the minds of most people. I certainly wouldn't draw any conclusions as to him being alive for wanting to provide for his family and wanting to actually pay his employees what is owed to them. I mean if I was millions and millions of dollars in debt and needed to make money.. and I knew touring and having shows was the way I could do it..My ass would be shaking on a stage whether I felt up to it or not. Especially if I had three children and I knew I couldn't simply ship them off to a public school and because of who I am, I can't go without security. If I was placed in that position, I would be worried and stressed. Worried about providing for my children and keeping up my life..and the thing is.. People don't wanna hear there's trouble or that something is too much to handle. Oh no.. They only wanna know that you are in excellent form and ready to go. They don't want to think that maybe.. just maybe.. you got stress in your life and not everything is a magical adventure. And It's just so wonderful to talk about all this LOVE and acceptance.. and respect... but then go and make veiled messages trying to bash somebody. Such respect and class is shown in claiming one thing but being another ,and making assumptions about somebody for stating their opinions and believing things that you probably go and whisper behind somebody's back but don't have enough guts to say to their face except for little messages of hate you think softens the blow with.. Trust me.. It doesn't. Judging somebody is simply that..Judging them. No matter what words is used. Don't worry though. I'll take my ignorant opinions, beliefs and projections elsewhere. Thank you so much for being so accepting and respectful.
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Post by Jane on Mar 3, 2010 19:01:48 GMT -5
I think we are all in the position now where we should consider everything as a possibility, including things being not as they are made to look like. I no longer know if I believe fully some of the things Michael says. I know he said to not believe anything unless it comes from his mouth, and I love him to pieces, but I wouldn't even believe him himself sometimes. Everything is a possibility. Everything has two sides. Michael Jackson is not perfect and i'm sure he lies, even if not on purpose. I'm just saying, because i've been thinking about these things a lot lately. We just cannot deny this, because unless we are him, we just don't know, and assuming would be just that, assuming.
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Post by merkaba on Mar 12, 2010 9:00:01 GMT -5
Hi Jane... Yes, everything is possible. And almost everything can be forgiven because somebody have had a really good reason for it.... Can´t help thinking it would be good for him to return, if the purpose is, as nicole mentioned, to regain his reputation for the kids sake. Cause the paradox is: That now almost everybody believes he is dead, only a very few believes he is alive.... Before a lot of people believed in all the absurd accusations, and perhaps even more people believed in "no smoke, without a fire" if You get my point. Now he would be able to turn it around, cause if You believe all the tabloids who says he´s dead, and he´s not........ Then why still believe in the accusations...The tabloids will be given a "deadly punch" as being the "Gospel" so to speak.... At least among human beings who are capable of having just ONE independent thought..... Would I just love to see it happen.... He would help, not just himself, but so many others....
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Post by Jane on Mar 12, 2010 13:17:11 GMT -5
Hi Jane... Yes, everything is possible. And almost everything can be forgiven because somebody have had a really good reason for it.... Can´t help thinking it would be good for him to return, if the purpose is, as nicole mentioned, to regain his reputation for the kids sake. Cause the paradox is: That now almost everybody believes he is dead, only a very few believes he is alive.... Before a lot of people believed in all the absurd accusations, and perhaps even more people believed in "no smoke, without a fire" if You get my point. Now he would be able to turn it around, cause if You believe all the tabloids who says he´s dead, and he´s not........ Then why still believe in the accusations...The tabloids will be given a "deadly punch" as being the "Gospel" so to speak.... At least among human beings who are capable of having just ONE independent thought..... Would I just love to see it happen.... He would help, not just himself, but so many others.... Yeah, agreed. I just want him to be happy, from the bottom of my heart. I already set my heart to him not coming back. He sneaks into my tarot sometimes to say "hey i'm ok." I'm thankful for that. I think he's happy now, in his personal life.
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