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Post by Nicole on Mar 1, 2010 11:15:47 GMT -5
Wow... Just wow. I want to give you huge hugs too. I'm glad you came here, and I'm all for looking into this with you. Before I forget, the question you have at the end there.. Why would the seeeyeaye be watching him? Because he was trialed AND ACQUITED for youknowwhat, that's why. I think.. Internet chatrooms, full of young fans = perfect place for a youknowwhat to lurk. That would be it. It's the most obvious answer. The recently released files said they were watching him and got nothing from it. Anyway, I'm glad you're here.
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Post by Nicole on Mar 1, 2010 11:50:13 GMT -5
Btw, the IP address thing.. A lot of people have dynamic IP's. The numbers/address will change in some small way (or sometimes more obviously) every time you log onto the internet. It's something your ISP does.. Don't worry about it. It's all technerd, and I understand that. I have a static IP address. It never changes. However my ISP provider shows my IP address as being in Queensland, Australia, but I'm down in Victoria.. And when I use my mobile phone, which is with a different company, it says Santa Clara, USA.. That's a big difference with both. Especially my phone. So, don't sweat it. I am 99% certain that you haven't been hacked during these posts. And there are ways I can check that out, so honestly - please, don't worry about it. Relax..
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Post by xscape on Mar 1, 2010 13:35:17 GMT -5
Thanks, Nicole. I got an e-mail from Mo. They don't want me around. Gullible fans and If I did go through all this, Why would I bring attention to this and bring other people into it? A conspiracy, hoax site and I had to connect the dots for them. lol You're absolutely right,Nicole. If whisper was a CIA agent doing this, It means that the govenment was trying to undermine Michael Jackson. It brings an entirely different light to the allegations against him and even .. if he's dead.. who may have been behind his murder. But.. There are gullible fans on that hoax forum apparently. My story isn't one to be shared there.. on a hoax and conspiracy forum.. concerning Michael Jackson.. lol Sometimes, A person must go through some danger and even people have been killed because they feel the public has the right to know the truth. If I died tomorrow, God forbid, I at least know in my heart that I took a stand here and tried to discover the truth behind what went on and who whisper really is. I didn't sit back in silence and go "Oh well.. I had all these bad things happen to me so I should do as they want and be silent." No.. Me being silent is the worst thing I could do. My silence means that there is a large possiblity that the truth about Michael Jackson won't be told and that he will go down in history as another drug addicted celebrity who begged his doctor to kill him just so he could get some sleep. Sad. Another celebrity couldn't kick the habit... and Conrad Murray will get only four years in prison, if even that. Meanwhile, Michael gets no justice and Not even the dignity of having his children know the truth behind what happened to him. Yeah, I was shattered.. but the fact here is that since I do not know who Whisper was for certain.. Michael Jackson could be an even bigger victim than I was and paid a very dear price for it. Michael deserves better than this. I won't give up the fight until he gets the justice he deserves.
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Post by looking4truth on Mar 2, 2010 9:37:17 GMT -5
Honestly, I am not sure if I can 100% believe your story BUT I won't rule it out either because my story is unbelievable and if I was reading my own story, I wouldn't fully believe it. However, I know what I'm saying is 100% the truth to me so with that in mind, I'll be open to it and say that I did send prayers to you no matter what because if you did go through this, I am sorry you had to go through all of this and have people, like me, not believe you all the way. I hope you don't feel offended by this but this is the internet so you must understand why I'm skeptical. In any event, welcome to the forum and I hope you feel comfortable here to continue to speak your story. Wish you well for you and your daughter.
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Post by xscape on Mar 2, 2010 10:45:20 GMT -5
looking4truth, I am not offended one bit by your message. In fact, I applaud you. You have done what very few people have done ,and That is show me the respect enough to say.. "Hey,I don't know if you are telling 100% the truth here because this is the internet and There are people scamming out there ,but I am willing to keep an open mind and not belittle you." There is absolutely nothing offensive in what you've said to me ,and I want you to know I understand completely. If I was on the other side of this,I would wonder myself for the exact same reasons. This is why I don't mind people asking me questions and scrutinzing this. I welcome it with open arms because 1. I wish to ensure that people understand what I've written. Because the internet is a written form, Things do get mixed up. Sometimes, I'll get in the middle of typing with my brain going a million miles a minute ,and I forget to stop and read what I've written and how it's going to come across to people. So,I do answer questions ,and If I made a mistake, I apologize and I clear it up. I don't get all defensive ..Like " How dare you question me?" and all that. To me, People who do that are trying to hide something. I'm not. My mistakes are honest ones.,and I'll own up to any and all mistakes if I made one. Another problem is that I really do have limited proof. I can't take the old hard drive out of my old computer and dump all the conversations out of it. lol I don't know how to even go about getting everything off that computer, even the deleted stuff. If somebody knows,and If it's not too expensive, I'll check into it. I did keep the computer for such examination though. It's in a safe place. I do have the magazine Whisper sent to me ,and I took the pictures of the drawings he did in it as well as the autograph. I would like to post it. I'm afraid to though because every single time I do,something bad happens. The thread gets closed,which I don't mind that ,but What happened over at the hoax forum with me being banned and accused of being somebody I'm not and supposedly threatening people.. That's not me. I was hacked and I tried to explain myself ,but No dice. Again, I can't force people to believe me. I'm not even trying to. All I do is explain what happened and allow people to decide on their own. The only thing that does bother me is being attacked and wrongly judged. Like Mo did. Why would you share something like this? Well..Truth is that I wasn't going to. This is embarassing. I was pushed into going public by people who told me Whisper was this dangerous criminal and was luring children. Now, I am a parent and the thought of a child being misled after the way I was shattered was not something I could sit back and allow to happen, especially if I knew I could at least warn people. They gave me a name and address in New York. I dont think they counted on me actually checking it out ,but I had police in New York check it out. By this time, My experience had spread every place, even foreign MJ message boards. sf.tapuz.co.il/shirshur-270-2821495.htm?g=AlbumsHebrew..No less.. lol All I did was type Whisper MJIFC in google to find this. It's about all that's left though that I could find. By the time I found out..1. The Devin Brown name they gave me was either fake or they lied to me.. The word was out. Turns out..Nobody has lived in New York by that name in 20 years ,and There is nobody who lived at the address given by that name ever. The cop actually went to that address and talked to the manager of the building. So,Somebody lied. 2. Once I discovered this, The person who told me all this suddenly turned against me. I was a victim of an imposter, They said.. but I refused to believe it. That was their line. They are involved in all types of crap. A hacker and a devious person who actually is rumored to have leaked Xscape to the fan boards. I'll give their name in private only because they love to go blustering around about how they'll sue and all this. But, They've conned other people.. I found out only too late. They'll go and make friends with a administrator of a board and tell them how they want to help them out. The administrator will trust them and give them access to their board.. then, They'll wreck the board. You can't even mention their name to MJJC..Those people are so upset at this person that all they say is the person is so evil. I wish to god I had known this before trusting them. They tried to send me e-mails reportedly from Michael Jackson telling me to get on with my life and calling Whisper a "bottom feeder" ..All this junk. I got promised that Michael Jackson himself would call and Thank me. Never happened. I'm not suprised. This person wrecked my life just as much as Whisper did. I have theories about it. Bottom line: I believe I was set up by a group of people. Not from MJJC. I want to make that clear. When I told the person that their name and address turned out to not show what they wanted it to show..Then, They turned against me. Like you said..This is the internet. If somebody gives me information, I'm going to check it out for myself. If somebody gives me a name and address..Fine. One show me how this person is connected to me and Two: Prove hard facts that they are indeed Whisper. I learned the hard way not to take people's word because of this jerk. Well actually..Because of BOTH jerks. Now,I check and double check before I tell anybody anything regarding identities or anything like that to ensure the information is 100% accurate. I have to ,and It's sad I can't trust people at their word. Such is the world we live in though. looking4truth, Thank you for giving me respect. I deeply appreciate it.
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Post by xscape on Mar 2, 2010 11:02:10 GMT -5
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Post by Nicole on Mar 2, 2010 12:24:01 GMT -5
Don't worry, as far as I'm concerned this thread isn't going anywhere. Your daughter is beautiful. Thank you for posting all this. I think it's important to make it clear that there are always going to be MJ impostors. We need to be smart, not stupid, about it. btw, I might be able to help you retrieve the info on the old, old computer if you decide you want to do that one day.
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Post by xscape on Mar 2, 2010 12:52:16 GMT -5
Thank you,Nicole *Smile My old computer got so old.. lol I was calling it "Dino" while using it. It's like a 1996 computer lol All I have is the tower of it ,and The thing got rebuilt with the old hard drive in it.. lol If you have a clue about these types of things,I'll take all the help I can get. It does have alot of Whisper on it because I met him on that comp,saved convos on that comp ect. It's old though lol Michaela is 11 now ,but It's amazing.. She looks the same as she does in that picture.. except the child grew. lol She comes up to my shoulders now.. Heck, I remembered when I could carry her! lol Forget it now. lol She's perfect lol Weeell.. okay.. I'm biased.. lol She's just one of those people in the world that touches hearts no matter what. I don't care what goes wrong in my life,Michaela gives me the strength and determination to keep going and do better. It's hard for me to imagine her grown up in any way. Michaela is delayed. She has a vocabulary of 150 words at the most..at least the last time they tested her. Her favorite things are books and school..(*She gets that from me lol) Elmo and Dora and Trees. She loves swinging and swimming. My child was a mermaid in her former life LOL Trees..She'll walk up to a tree and hug it. lol It's so cute. lol Oh yeah..and She's a flirt LOL. God bless her! It's funny. If she sees a guy, She walk up and take him by the hand and look at him with those warm blue eyes of hers LOL She's able to put three words together now. and She can now pick out her own clothes. She'll stand at the closet while you suggest an outfit. If she doesn't want to wear it, She'll say No. lol The process continues until you pick out what she wants to wear. I am very proud of her Not that any of you can tell LOL She'll say and do things I simply refer to as "Michaela-isms.." very cute.. lol She makes me happy every time. Such a brave little miracle. She's been through so much ,but Yet her strength and love hold such a deep truth. She never allows her condition to get her down. She keeps going. Just like that Wise Little Girl in Michael's Dancing the Dream book. She brings a smile to your face simply by being herself. Through her, You remember the joy of living and the goodness of life.. and the strength of the human spirit to rise above any difficulties. I am proud of her and happy for her.
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Post by Jane on Mar 2, 2010 13:54:00 GMT -5
Awwwwww, Tiffany she's so cuuute Thanks for sharing the pictures, and don't worry. I'll even make this thread only viewable to members, if you want; just give me the word. Could you tell a little about the photos? Thanks for sharing P.S. thanks for trusting us
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Post by xscape on Mar 2, 2010 14:03:23 GMT -5
Sorry for the double post lol Protect me wolfie! lol I posted some of the pictures from the magazine. I took them on a web cam. I wish I had a scanner. lol Anyway, There are some drawings I didn't take a pic of because they were kind of controversial lol I mean.. C'mon..Who likes their former mother-in-law? lol I figured I could let Devil Priscilla slip.. lol But, If Whisper was ever proven to be MJ, There are um..certain opinions he had of certain people that may kind of hurt them. I didn't want to do that to them. But..I decided.. well,If it's ever confirmed Whisper was indeed Michael Jackson.. before anybody makes it official..There's always the edit button.. lol If he was an imposter.. It won't matter anyway..LOL ok..This pic has more glare than I like in it.. but As you can see Michael is haking hands with Ricky Martin here.. Above Ricky's head,Whisper wrote "Queen".. I ain't gonna comment LOL The next picture has Whisper saying MINE *LOL* Now.. What exactly does he think is his here? Can I just say men suck here? lol Yeah Yeah..Whisp.. He wishes LOL Such a lovely sense of humor. He drew a fly on some man's nose..A cigar on some baby..LOL He took a word find and circled letters to say "I Love U." I wish I could show the autograph better. It has my favorite way for MJ to sign his name.. Sparkly N. I always thought that was a creative way to sign a name. lol It has a ring drawn on Michael's hand and the date 2007 on it. I asked Whisper once..Why do you always put a date when you sign things? What's that all about anyway? He laughed and asked me "Do you really wanna know?" I'm like Duh..Goof..I wouldn't have asked otherwise..lol He told me.. The reason for the dates is because that's when I expect to be finished with all the projects I am currently involved in. Shh! Don't tell anybody though! and He giggled. When you think about it.. Yeah,It sounds like a very MJ thing to do.. Put a date after an autograph so everybody wonders and goes trying to find some deep spiritual meaning.. and He only means it to indicate a time he expects to be able to rest a little LOL Geesh..lol But,I must admit... Yeah, Whisper made me laugh plenty of times.. lol
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Post by looking4truth on Mar 2, 2010 16:14:59 GMT -5
Thanks for being so understanding, xscape. And your daughter is very beautiful. I hope you find peace with this and gain truth from it as well.
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Post by artsysteph on Mar 2, 2010 18:44:25 GMT -5
Thank you for sharing your photos! Your daughter is so lovely I know it took a lot for you to post this, but no worries! -Steph
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Post by xscape on Mar 2, 2010 19:12:22 GMT -5
looking4truth, Thanks *Smile I'm sure to gain something. Got no clue what that will be ,but I'll gain it. lol
I went to check my one e-mail account of the board I had been on for years and left after being treated like dirt. I had this PM there and Since I knew the person was a friend, I decided to read the PM. I went back on that board to read the PM ,and My friend was all like.. "Tiffany, I couldn't believe MJ fans could act like they did. They were so cruel to you."
I'm glad I missed the show lol
It was the one thread the powers on that board didn't move or alter that I had written. I had repeatedly asked them privately to leave me alone if I wasn't breaking board rules.. To stop lying about my sharing personal information when they never cared before. We're talking YEARS of me being there. Until I showed my pictures after being accused of being a golddigger and lying about my mother having a stroke. I proved both accusations were a lie and suddenly, I get the thread closed and the moderators moving or deleting my threads. lol
I tried Pming them. They ignored me constantly. So, I went off in public and told the truth. Libel was commited against me. I proved it. So, I'm the one who got harassed.
And I broke it down exactly why Whisper or anybody else won't come after me. I mean if I lied, Whisper has a huge lawsuit he could file against me for libel and deflamation of character. However, He knows I'm NOT lying. Going to court where he should go means exposure he doesn't want. I'd go right to court tomorrow. Let them sue. Suing me though means 1. Whisper would have to go to court. If he's not MJ, Whoops..There goes his disciples cause right there,It proves he lied. lol Oh but Wait.. Whisper publicly said he never claimed to be MJ..That he was a girl.. and A victim of my outrageous claims because he.. or is it a she lol stopped giving me money..
Okaay.. Witness time lol I got convos. I got witnesses that were there and who can go into court ..including my child's nurse..who can speak about Whisper claiming to be MJ over the phone. On an on with the moutains of witnesses lol
They won't go commiting perjury and go to jail for Whisper. Especially the people who believe Whisper is MJ. Nope. Won't happen. lol
So,I told them all.. Put up or shut up.. lol Instead of going on boards and accusing me of being a golddigger and hurting Michael Jackson.. all this ish.. Go ahead and file a lawsuit. Bring it on. lol
And They acted like they typically do. lol Court of public opinion once more and shredding me to pieces supposedly. I thought I'd be banned or warned.. something..lol So,I didn't go back. None of that happened. lol I guess the thread got closed though. It must have been vicious. lol
As long as nothing is confirmed,Whisper can continue. As long as nothing is known for sure, There's always the chance I'm lying. Take me to court ,and That chance goes POOF. lol The burden of proof is on Whisper. I'm a nobody. Nobody gives a damn about me.
I said it clearly.. If you have a image to protect, It's your responsibility to consider the things you say and do. If you don't want people to find out anything and You're worried what it might mean to your public image if they do, Don't engage in the behavior and You won't have to worry. Now yeah,People accused Michael of ish he didn't do.. but Typically, If you treat people with respect..especially if they are a fan of yours, They're not gonna disrespect or hurt somebody they love and admire. This whole time..The favor was for Whisper. I liked him from the beginning. I liked him so much that I wound up falling in love with him. He won me over before his claims. I thought the best of him. He tells me he's MJ. I trusted and believed him. I treated him like a friend.. I made a pact with myself to be the best friend I could to him because I loved, admired, and respected him. He then tells me he is in love with me. Again, He had every opportunity to shine.. and Shine he did for the first year and a half. I absolutely adored him and loved him with all of my heart. The journal I wrote of that time has me gushing like a schoolgirl about how wonderful he was to me and how magical the relationship was.
Time goes on and Whisper changed into this stranger who got cold, demanding, suspicious, manipulative, abusive..betraying..
I still believed in him enough to stay and try to work it out. I still hoped things would change and he was being like he was because of stress and pressure. Even right down to have to pretend to be a character I created he got obsessed with ..and praying for him to see my pain and turn it around.
I believed the best out of Whisper. Until I learned of 7 different women and learned he had no respect nor love for me one bit.
I learned something else too. Never ever compromise yourself and allow yourself to be abused. All along I had the power to turn the computer off and change my phone number. All along I had the power to leave and not put up with how I was being treated. I allowed him to shatter me. I went against my instincts and what I knew was true in the hopes he'd come clean and We could work things out.
Nope. Because if somebody isn't treating you with respect and You can't trust them.. That's not going to change. All of 3 years, I thought the best of Whisper. The ball was in his court to do right by me and have enough respect for me to be truthful with me.
He chose to abuse and betray me instead. I am not going to blame myself for his choices. I'm also not going to beat myself up over any past mistakes I made. Cause I'm not perfect here. Yeah,I'd get mad and go off on him out of frustration because I knew he was lying to me. Well, If I knew it.. that means he's disrespecting me and I'm allowing it. Again, I had the choice to walk away. Love isn't a good enough reason to allow somebody to treat you like a doormat. I was so hurt and lonely for somebody to treat me with kindness that I ended up trusting somebody who decieved me and didn't deserve my trust. Why? Because in the beginning, This person took an interest in me and treated me kindly. They claimed they could help me and Whisper... and I was so desperate for help. So wanting to set things right that I fell into their trap and allowed them to convince me of things that later turned out to not be the truth. I allowed them to con me into going public about this. I can't take that back now. It's out there. What's done is done.
I put too much faith in other people instead of trusting in my instinct and in myself enough to take a stand and say.. "Whisper, You ain't right. You're lying to me. I asked you to tell me the truth. I gave you all types of chances. I'm done here. If you can't treat me with the love and respect I deserve, I'll find somebody who will appreciate the love I have to offer."
And I should have been gone. That is what I should have done. Stood up for myself from the get go and Left.
Live and learn.
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Post by xscape on Mar 2, 2010 19:24:37 GMT -5
Miss Steph.. I didn't mean to ignore you lol Geesh.. Another double post.. lol I feel so bad about that when it happens.. My Michaela is my happy thought. She really does keep me going. Sometimes, She's kept me alive. She motivates me to be a better person and to try my absolute best because she deserves the best. She deserves a mommy who will be there and love her endlessly. She's fought hard to be on this earth. So, I keep going.. even when I want to give up. I think of Michaela and how she fought against incredible odds. If she can do it, I definately can hang in there and fight. I love her. I can't even describe how much I love her.
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