Post by Jane on Mar 11, 2010 22:32:46 GMT -5
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Here are some of mine and Nicole's observations from Alice in Wonderland:
Book 1
CH 1
-"White Rabbit with pink eyes.."
(many of our clues referenced to the white rabbit)
-"..never once considering how in the world she was to get out again."
(think of the 50 concerts and Michael's entrapment under contract)
-"..for she had plenty of time as she went down to look about her and to wonder what was going to happen next."
(the planning of the hoax/the planning of events after the hoax's occurence)
-"Please, Ma' am, is this New Zealand or Australia?"
-"..he came upon a low curtain she had not noticed before."
(the curtain reference)
-"For, you see, so many out-of-the-way things had happened lately, that Alice had begun to think that very few things indeed were really impossible."
(that's kind of like us, now. after everything that has happened, we are supposed to open our minds to the possibility of anything)
-"..and round the neck of the bottle was a paper label, with the words `DRINK ME' beautifully printed on it in large letters."
-"It was all very well to say `Drink me,' but the wise little Alice was not going to do that in a hurry."
(both of those could refer to michael's "milk")
-"'..for it might end, you know,' said Alice to herself, `in my going out altogether, like a candle. I wonder what I should be like then?'"
(the hoax reference and Michael's thoughts as to the unplanned events to occur after the hoax)
-"..and once she remembered trying to box her own ears for having cheated herself in a game of croquet she was playing against herself, for this curious child was very fond of pretending to be two people. `But it's no use now,' thought poor Alice, `to pretend to be two people! Why, there's hardly enough of me left to make ONE respectable person!'"
(the reference to duality, possibly the "tv Mike" and the "real Mike")
-"Soon her eye fell on a little glass box that was lying under the table: she opened it, and found in it a very small cake
but Alice had got so much into the way of expecting nothing but out-of-the-way things to happen, that it seemed quite dull and stupid for life to go on in the common way."
(Lol, this was rather a personal reference that told us we were on the right track. I had been baking a lot of cakes during that time... )
CH 2
-"`Oh, my poor little feet, I wonder who will put on your shoes and stockings for you now, dears? I'm sure I shan't be able! I shall be a great deal too far off to trouble myself about you: you must manage the best way you can; --but I must be kind to them,' thought Alice, `or perhaps they won't walk the way I want to go! Let me see: I'll give them a new pair of boots every Christmas.'"
(the reference to Michael "killing off" the King of Pop, laying down his dancing shoes, and his aching feet in reality)
-"And she went on planning to herself how she would manage it."
(reference to the plans of the hoax)
-"It was the White Rabbit returning , splendidly dressed, with a pair of white kid gloves in one hand and a large fan in the other."
(the rabbit again, and white gloves )
-"I wonder if I've been changed in the night? Let me think: was I the same when I got up this morning? I almost think I can remember feeling a little different. But if I'm not the same, the next question is, Who in the world am I? Ah, THAT'S the great puzzle!'
and oh! ever so many lessons to learn!"
(this could be the reference to Michael being "ok" the night before the hoax and suddenly taken ill in the morning after, the morning of the hoax)
-"'Who am I then? Tell me that first, and then, if I like being that person, I'll come up: if not, I'll stay down here till I'm somebody else"--but, oh dear!' cried Alice, with a sudden burst of tears, `I do wish they WOULD put their heads down! I am so VERY tired of being all alone here!'"
(this is one of the biggest clues. this is because these feel like Michael's words. If he likes how we treat him after his death, if he likes the person he is seen as, he will return. if things stay bad, he's staying dead. and he's awfully lonely, i imagine)
-'Let me see: four times five is twelve, and four times six is thirteen, and four times seven is--oh dear! I shall never get to twenty at that rate!'"
(the numbers)
-"As she said this she looked down at her hands, and was surprised to see that she had put on one of the Rabbit's little white kid gloves while she was talking."
(white gloves)
-"`That WAS a narrow escape!' said Alice, a good deal frightened at the sudden change, but very glad to find herself still in existence;
Let us get to the shore, and then I'll tell you my history, and you'll understand why it is I hate cats and dogs.'"
(the escape. cats and dogs could be a reference to something else)
CH 3
-"`Found WHAT?' said the Duck. `Found IT,' the Mouse replied rather crossly: `of course you know what "it" means.' `I thought you did,' said the Mouse. `--I proceed. "Edwin and Morcar, the earls of Mercia and Northumbria, declared for him: and even Stigand, the patriotic archbishop of Canterbury, found it advisable--'"
("this is 'IT'". what's 'IT'? and Canterbury is part of Shakespeare)
-"`Why,' said the Dodo, `the best way to explain it is to do it.'"
There was no `One, two, three, and away,' but they began running when they liked, and left off when they liked, so that it was not easy to know when the race was over."
(it's not easy for us to know when this "race", or rather game, is over. but it looks like Michael imagines that "the best way to explain is to DO IT.)
-"This question the Dodo could not answer without a great deal of thought, and it sat for a long time with one finger pressed upon its forehead (the position in which you usually see Shakespeare, in the pictures of him), while the rest waited in silence. At last the Dodo said, `EVERYBODY has won, and all must have prizes.' `But who is to give the prizes?' quite a chorus of voices asked. `Why, SHE, of course,' said the Dodo, pointing to Alice with one finger; and the whole party at once crowded round her, calling out in a confused way, ` Prizes! Prizes!'"
(the reference to Shakespeare, again. and, "everybody has won", meaning, we all win from this hoax, in one way or another, and we know what our prize is, of course.)
-"`Fury said to a mouse, That he met in the house, "Let us both go to law: I will prosecute YOU. --Come, I'll take no denial; We must have a trial: For really this morning I've nothing to do." Said the mouse to the cur, "Such a trial, dear Sir, With no jury or judge, would be wasting our breath." "I'll be judge, I'll be jury," Said cunning old Fury: "I'll try the whole cause, and condemn you to death.'"
(this may show a bit of Michael's fury at being condemned. now HE is the judge and the jury. he makes the calls, this is our trial.)
CH 4
-"`But then,' thought Alice, `shall I NEVER get any older than I am now? That' ll be a comfort, one way--never to be an old woman- -but then--always to have lessons to learn! Oh, I shouldn't like THAT!'"
(Michael didn't want to grow older. this way, he will forever be young in our hearts, we will never watch him age.)
CH 5
-"'Who are YOU?' said the Caterpillar. This was not an encouraging opening for a conversation. Alice replied, rather shyly, `I--I hardly know, sir, just at present-- at least I know who I WAS when I got up this morning, but I think I must have been changed several times since then.' `What do you mean by that?' said the Caterpillar sternly. `Explain yourself!' `I can't explain MYSELF, I'm afraid, sir' said Alice, `because I'm not myself, you see.'"
(the reference, again, to the night before the hoax and the morning of the hoax. perhaps he's saying that there were two different people."
-"`Serpent!' screamed the Pigeon. `I'm NOT a serpent!' said Alice indignantly. `Let me alone!'"
(this reminded me of, when in the shmuley tapes, Michael says he looks like a "lizard")
-"..it'll never do to come upon them THIS size: why, I should frighten them out of their wits!' So she began nibbling at the righthand bit again, and did not venture to go near the house till she had brought herself down to nine inches high."
(perhaps this refers to Michael's wanting to come back when all the noise about him has calmed down)
CH 6
-"`They were learning to draw,' the Dormouse went on, yawning and rubbing its eyes, for it was getting very sleepy; `and they drew all manner of things--everything that begins with an M--' `Why with an M?' said Alice. `Why not?' said the March Hare."
(M for Michael)
CH 7
CH8
CH 9
-"`Tut, tut, child!' said the Duchess. `Everything's got a moral, if only you can find it.' `'Tis so,' said the Duchess: `and the moral of that is--"Oh, 'tis love, 'tis love, that makes the world go round!' `I quite agree with you,' said the Duchess; `and the moral of that is--"Be what you would seem to be"--or if you'd like it put more simply--"Never imagine yourself not to be otherwise than what it might appear to others that what you were or might have been was not otherwise than what you had been would have appeared to them to be otherwise.'"
(King Tut reference; and morals, like the moral of the hoax; reference to illusions)
-"The Gryphon sat up and rubbed its eyes: then it watched the Queen till she was out of sight: then it chuckled. `What fun!' said the Gryphon, half to itself, half to Alice. `What IS the fun?' said Alice. `Why, SHE,' said the Gryphon. `It's all her fancy, that: they never executes nobody, you know. Come on!'"
(no one really dies)
CH 10
CH11
-"The judge, by the way, was the King; and as he wore his crown over the wig, (look at the frontispiece if you want to see how he did it,) he did not look at all comfortable, and it was certainly not becoming."
(the King of Pop is now the judge)
-"The first witness was the Hatter. He came in with a teacup in one hand and a piece of bread-and-butter in the other. `I beg pardon, your Majesty,' he began, `for bringing these in: but I hadn't quite finished my tea when I was sent for.' `You ought to have finished,' said the King. `When did you begin?' The Hatter looked at the March Hare, who had followed him into the court, arm-in-arm with the Dormouse. `Fourteenth of March, I think it was,' he said. `Fifteenth,' said the March Hare. `Sixteenth,' added the Dormouse. `Write that down,' the King said to the jury, and the jury eagerly wrote down all three dates on their slates, and then added them up, and reduced the answer to shillings and pence."
CH 12
-"Lastly, she pictured to herself how this same little sister of hers would, in the after-time, be herself a grown woman; and how she would keep, through all her riper years, the simple and loving heart of her childhood: and how she would gather about her other little children, and make their eyes bright and eager with many a strange tale, perhaps even with the dream of Wonderland of long ago: and how she would feel with all their simple sorrows, and find a pleasure in all their simple joys, remembering her own child-life, and the happy summer days."
(sounds like something straight out of Michael's head)
Some other things from the book that I want to point out:
-clocks
-"this is an adventure" aka Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, the alternate name of the book
and..
this.
This was done especially for Michael, at his orders I assume. What do you notice here?
-give me time (look at the clocks)
-this is an adventure (that's what alice went on)
-there's the white rabbit again
-could be a magicians hat with cards..
-the rabbit has a crown on.
-clock cogwheel on the left looks like a film reel
-the magician's hat has some writing in it.
-the time on MJ's clock
-what card did David Blaine reveal in his video?
-Michael loves Edward Scissorhands, Johnny Depp's muse for the movie (he plays the Mad Hatter) was Michael Jackson
Feel free to add more!
mjloveistheanswer.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=artisticmedium&action=display&thread=100
Here are some of mine and Nicole's observations from Alice in Wonderland:
Book 1
CH 1
-"White Rabbit with pink eyes.."
(many of our clues referenced to the white rabbit)
-"..never once considering how in the world she was to get out again."
(think of the 50 concerts and Michael's entrapment under contract)
-"..for she had plenty of time as she went down to look about her and to wonder what was going to happen next."
(the planning of the hoax/the planning of events after the hoax's occurence)
-"Please, Ma' am, is this New Zealand or Australia?"
-"..he came upon a low curtain she had not noticed before."
(the curtain reference)
-"For, you see, so many out-of-the-way things had happened lately, that Alice had begun to think that very few things indeed were really impossible."
(that's kind of like us, now. after everything that has happened, we are supposed to open our minds to the possibility of anything)
-"..and round the neck of the bottle was a paper label, with the words `DRINK ME' beautifully printed on it in large letters."
-"It was all very well to say `Drink me,' but the wise little Alice was not going to do that in a hurry."
(both of those could refer to michael's "milk")
-"'..for it might end, you know,' said Alice to herself, `in my going out altogether, like a candle. I wonder what I should be like then?'"
(the hoax reference and Michael's thoughts as to the unplanned events to occur after the hoax)
-"..and once she remembered trying to box her own ears for having cheated herself in a game of croquet she was playing against herself, for this curious child was very fond of pretending to be two people. `But it's no use now,' thought poor Alice, `to pretend to be two people! Why, there's hardly enough of me left to make ONE respectable person!'"
(the reference to duality, possibly the "tv Mike" and the "real Mike")
-"Soon her eye fell on a little glass box that was lying under the table: she opened it, and found in it a very small cake
but Alice had got so much into the way of expecting nothing but out-of-the-way things to happen, that it seemed quite dull and stupid for life to go on in the common way."
(Lol, this was rather a personal reference that told us we were on the right track. I had been baking a lot of cakes during that time... )
CH 2
-"`Oh, my poor little feet, I wonder who will put on your shoes and stockings for you now, dears? I'm sure I shan't be able! I shall be a great deal too far off to trouble myself about you: you must manage the best way you can; --but I must be kind to them,' thought Alice, `or perhaps they won't walk the way I want to go! Let me see: I'll give them a new pair of boots every Christmas.'"
(the reference to Michael "killing off" the King of Pop, laying down his dancing shoes, and his aching feet in reality)
-"And she went on planning to herself how she would manage it."
(reference to the plans of the hoax)
-"It was the White Rabbit returning , splendidly dressed, with a pair of white kid gloves in one hand and a large fan in the other."
(the rabbit again, and white gloves )
-"I wonder if I've been changed in the night? Let me think: was I the same when I got up this morning? I almost think I can remember feeling a little different. But if I'm not the same, the next question is, Who in the world am I? Ah, THAT'S the great puzzle!'
and oh! ever so many lessons to learn!"
(this could be the reference to Michael being "ok" the night before the hoax and suddenly taken ill in the morning after, the morning of the hoax)
-"'Who am I then? Tell me that first, and then, if I like being that person, I'll come up: if not, I'll stay down here till I'm somebody else"--but, oh dear!' cried Alice, with a sudden burst of tears, `I do wish they WOULD put their heads down! I am so VERY tired of being all alone here!'"
(this is one of the biggest clues. this is because these feel like Michael's words. If he likes how we treat him after his death, if he likes the person he is seen as, he will return. if things stay bad, he's staying dead. and he's awfully lonely, i imagine)
-'Let me see: four times five is twelve, and four times six is thirteen, and four times seven is--oh dear! I shall never get to twenty at that rate!'"
(the numbers)
-"As she said this she looked down at her hands, and was surprised to see that she had put on one of the Rabbit's little white kid gloves while she was talking."
(white gloves)
-"`That WAS a narrow escape!' said Alice, a good deal frightened at the sudden change, but very glad to find herself still in existence;
Let us get to the shore, and then I'll tell you my history, and you'll understand why it is I hate cats and dogs.'"
(the escape. cats and dogs could be a reference to something else)
CH 3
-"`Found WHAT?' said the Duck. `Found IT,' the Mouse replied rather crossly: `of course you know what "it" means.' `I thought you did,' said the Mouse. `--I proceed. "Edwin and Morcar, the earls of Mercia and Northumbria, declared for him: and even Stigand, the patriotic archbishop of Canterbury, found it advisable--'"
("this is 'IT'". what's 'IT'? and Canterbury is part of Shakespeare)
-"`Why,' said the Dodo, `the best way to explain it is to do it.'"
There was no `One, two, three, and away,' but they began running when they liked, and left off when they liked, so that it was not easy to know when the race was over."
(it's not easy for us to know when this "race", or rather game, is over. but it looks like Michael imagines that "the best way to explain is to DO IT.)
-"This question the Dodo could not answer without a great deal of thought, and it sat for a long time with one finger pressed upon its forehead (the position in which you usually see Shakespeare, in the pictures of him), while the rest waited in silence. At last the Dodo said, `EVERYBODY has won, and all must have prizes.' `But who is to give the prizes?' quite a chorus of voices asked. `Why, SHE, of course,' said the Dodo, pointing to Alice with one finger; and the whole party at once crowded round her, calling out in a confused way, ` Prizes! Prizes!'"
(the reference to Shakespeare, again. and, "everybody has won", meaning, we all win from this hoax, in one way or another, and we know what our prize is, of course.)
-"`Fury said to a mouse, That he met in the house, "Let us both go to law: I will prosecute YOU. --Come, I'll take no denial; We must have a trial: For really this morning I've nothing to do." Said the mouse to the cur, "Such a trial, dear Sir, With no jury or judge, would be wasting our breath." "I'll be judge, I'll be jury," Said cunning old Fury: "I'll try the whole cause, and condemn you to death.'"
(this may show a bit of Michael's fury at being condemned. now HE is the judge and the jury. he makes the calls, this is our trial.)
CH 4
-"`But then,' thought Alice, `shall I NEVER get any older than I am now? That' ll be a comfort, one way--never to be an old woman- -but then--always to have lessons to learn! Oh, I shouldn't like THAT!'"
(Michael didn't want to grow older. this way, he will forever be young in our hearts, we will never watch him age.)
CH 5
-"'Who are YOU?' said the Caterpillar. This was not an encouraging opening for a conversation. Alice replied, rather shyly, `I--I hardly know, sir, just at present-- at least I know who I WAS when I got up this morning, but I think I must have been changed several times since then.' `What do you mean by that?' said the Caterpillar sternly. `Explain yourself!' `I can't explain MYSELF, I'm afraid, sir' said Alice, `because I'm not myself, you see.'"
(the reference, again, to the night before the hoax and the morning of the hoax. perhaps he's saying that there were two different people."
-"`Serpent!' screamed the Pigeon. `I'm NOT a serpent!' said Alice indignantly. `Let me alone!'"
(this reminded me of, when in the shmuley tapes, Michael says he looks like a "lizard")
-"..it'll never do to come upon them THIS size: why, I should frighten them out of their wits!' So she began nibbling at the righthand bit again, and did not venture to go near the house till she had brought herself down to nine inches high."
(perhaps this refers to Michael's wanting to come back when all the noise about him has calmed down)
CH 6
-"`They were learning to draw,' the Dormouse went on, yawning and rubbing its eyes, for it was getting very sleepy; `and they drew all manner of things--everything that begins with an M--' `Why with an M?' said Alice. `Why not?' said the March Hare."
(M for Michael)
CH 7
CH8
CH 9
-"`Tut, tut, child!' said the Duchess. `Everything's got a moral, if only you can find it.' `'Tis so,' said the Duchess: `and the moral of that is--"Oh, 'tis love, 'tis love, that makes the world go round!' `I quite agree with you,' said the Duchess; `and the moral of that is--"Be what you would seem to be"--or if you'd like it put more simply--"Never imagine yourself not to be otherwise than what it might appear to others that what you were or might have been was not otherwise than what you had been would have appeared to them to be otherwise.'"
(King Tut reference; and morals, like the moral of the hoax; reference to illusions)
-"The Gryphon sat up and rubbed its eyes: then it watched the Queen till she was out of sight: then it chuckled. `What fun!' said the Gryphon, half to itself, half to Alice. `What IS the fun?' said Alice. `Why, SHE,' said the Gryphon. `It's all her fancy, that: they never executes nobody, you know. Come on!'"
(no one really dies)
CH 10
CH11
-"The judge, by the way, was the King; and as he wore his crown over the wig, (look at the frontispiece if you want to see how he did it,) he did not look at all comfortable, and it was certainly not becoming."
(the King of Pop is now the judge)
-"The first witness was the Hatter. He came in with a teacup in one hand and a piece of bread-and-butter in the other. `I beg pardon, your Majesty,' he began, `for bringing these in: but I hadn't quite finished my tea when I was sent for.' `You ought to have finished,' said the King. `When did you begin?' The Hatter looked at the March Hare, who had followed him into the court, arm-in-arm with the Dormouse. `Fourteenth of March, I think it was,' he said. `Fifteenth,' said the March Hare. `Sixteenth,' added the Dormouse. `Write that down,' the King said to the jury, and the jury eagerly wrote down all three dates on their slates, and then added them up, and reduced the answer to shillings and pence."
CH 12
-"Lastly, she pictured to herself how this same little sister of hers would, in the after-time, be herself a grown woman; and how she would keep, through all her riper years, the simple and loving heart of her childhood: and how she would gather about her other little children, and make their eyes bright and eager with many a strange tale, perhaps even with the dream of Wonderland of long ago: and how she would feel with all their simple sorrows, and find a pleasure in all their simple joys, remembering her own child-life, and the happy summer days."
(sounds like something straight out of Michael's head)
Some other things from the book that I want to point out:
-clocks
-"this is an adventure" aka Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, the alternate name of the book
and..
this.
This was done especially for Michael, at his orders I assume. What do you notice here?
-give me time (look at the clocks)
-this is an adventure (that's what alice went on)
-there's the white rabbit again
-could be a magicians hat with cards..
-the rabbit has a crown on.
-clock cogwheel on the left looks like a film reel
-the magician's hat has some writing in it.
-the time on MJ's clock
-what card did David Blaine reveal in his video?
-Michael loves Edward Scissorhands, Johnny Depp's muse for the movie (he plays the Mad Hatter) was Michael Jackson
Feel free to add more!